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Instead, if we accept that comic book science ...2.<br /><br />Instead, if we accept that comic book science will inevitably power their economies to greater and greater output and wealth, 2 'realer' issues for comic book universes emerge. The first is how that technology is embedded in the wider economic, political and social structures: if the big superteams have intersteller-spaceships, then so will Governments and Corporations. I’d imagine some genius is already working out how to offer ordinary folks the fruits of FTL tech. The culture shock and economic dislocation of this pace of change could destabilise any culture: the real risk to the economy is not a drain on state resources, but the lack of a "new deal" to totally change the way in which comic book states are run. The old models of economic development would cease to function: left wing models could stifle the apparently anarchic potential of say magical production of wealth: right wing models would surely see the super-rich becoming so wealthy and rich that anything resembling contemporary western states would disappear. The answer to your question of how to pay for the comic-book long-lived is bound up in the need for the kind of social, political and economic development unseen since the revolutionary successes of America and the revolutionary failures of France and Russia. It will only appear that the long-lived are a drain if the old systems survive unchanged.<br /><br />The second "realer" issue referred to before is how the (excessively?)hyper-massive profit of super-science and magic is divided up by the state. Those bodies with access to FTL - to take but one example - will quickly accrue riches unimaginable to the 'ordinary' citizen. The truth that I’m waffling towards is that there should be enough wealth for all the citizens of DC & Marvel Earth to live as long as they like in the lap of luxury, but whether those riches are going to be shared around in even the Rooseveltian sense - well, I'd better go before I'm accused of being the Marxist I'm certainly not. (I'm with Popper on Marx every time.)colsminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2856236869724526974.post-6866739102879848072010-01-30T08:41:23.381-05:002010-01-30T08:41:23.381-05:001.
Any competent Government working out how to pa...1.<br /><br />Any competent Government working out how to pay for future expense begins with an audit of current & future resources. But the DC and Marvel Universes contain a significant number of variables affecting economic development which ours don't. Some argue that our aging population is a dangerous drain on resources – which I don’t accept – but the resources available to comic book universes are so much greater than ours that this premise isn’t transferable to them. For example, you refer to "the population of mutants, aliens, sorcerers, demigods, and science-experiments-gone-wrong" in both universes. Yes, we have to consider the cost of those of these communities which are long-lived to the state, but let us also consider the benefits. Sorcerers and demi-gods can potentially create wealth, and wealth-creating opportunities, which shatter the "laws" of economics and promise returns such as even Allen Sanford couldn't dream of pretending to offer. Mutants have a variety of abilities, from the apparently minor to the reality-changing, which could again promote small-scale and large-scale economic development. Aliens too offer considerable advantages in that most of them have access to technology, genetic diversity and socio-economic concepts which even in comic-book universes are divergent from standard forms of thinking and behaving. It's hard to see these long-lived citizens as being an economic drain. The truth is, I think, that their long-lived citizens offer huge potential for future growth, not drain.<br /><br />Even if the economic potential of the various long-lived communities isn’t specifically tapped, I believe the rate of technological development in comic-book universes is so incredible that it’d easily allow them to stay ahead of economic troubles in the same way that the Industrial Revolution allowed Malthusian pessimisms to be denied by the unforeseen technological productive power of machines.(I wish I‘d the same faith in our future.)colsminoreply@blogger.com